Dr André Lentz interviewed by Rikke Godthjælp

Thank you for agreeing to be interviewed by me.

The purpose of this interview is to record and spread the knowledge of Auriculo Therapy throughout the world. For this reason, the interview will be in English, as my French is not good enough.

In the questions, I will not distinguish between Auriculo Therapy and Auriculo Medicine, but please feel free to specify or not, as you please.

If there are questions that you do not wish to answer or think do not apply to you, please feel free to skip those questions.

I am very grateful to you for taking the time to talk to me in spite of your busy agenda.

All the best
Rikke Godthjælp

Good morning,

Thank-you for your interest in my work. As we agreed, I accepted this interview on condition that it would only be distributed to practitioners. Indeed, I think that disseminating auriculomedicine to the general public is premature given the limited number of well-trained practitioners.

Questions :

First, I will ask you your name, where are you located and your professional background.

André Lentz, Doctor of Medicine, retired. I practised general medicine in France for 40 years but mainly using auriculomedicine and homeopathy.

When did you first get to know about Auriculo Therapy ?

My first experience of auriculotherapy was at a natural medicine congress in Switzerland in 1970. Since then, I have continued to study it, to control and check what was taught and to participate in the research.

Who taught you what you know about Auriculo Therapy ?

I know more about auriculomedicine using VAS than auriculotherapy

What made you want to work with Auriculo Therapy ? Was it, for example, a teacher, a personal experience, a specific disease or something else ?

At first, I thought it was a very simple method to relieve pain that I could use after having had some difficulty treating scapulo-humeral periarthritis during my physician replacements.
In 1974, I was invited to attend a higher course by Paul Nogier who was beginning to work on frequencies and colours. My first thought was : “Either this doctor is crazy or he’s a genius and the only way to find out is to give it a try.”

Do you have a main focus of interest regarding Auriculo Therapy, for example : frequencies, colours, light, scientific approach, specific diseases or something else ?

I have always used auriculomedicine with VAS (Vascular Autonomic Signal). To dispel my doubts, for 40 years, I systematically checked what Paul Nogier taught. This has led me to make many new measurements and observations. At the same time I have always sought to optimise Homeopathic prescriptions. The two techniques complement each other because they act in the same way and homeopathy allowed me to understand the measurements that needed to be made in auriculomedicine in order to obtain a better response from the organism.

The methods taught by Paul Nogier lacked coherence and an examination strategy suitable for examining all patients, and I sought to remedy this. A lot of my research has been trying to understand the mechanisms that allow us to measure interactions. The complexity of the system explains the difficulties and the length of time the research took. But I believe that through this work I have managed to understand the origin of these difficulties and find solutions to obtain a more coherent and simpler technique for examining all patients and a method that allows us to find the primary points at the origin of imbalances.

If we do not deal with the primary point, that is to say the one that causes the imbalances, the results obtained are very incomplete and not very long-lasting.

Have you written material you would like to refer to ?

My first book, Auriculomedicine and Homeopathy, gathers together the state of my research in the year 1994. It is a book for researchers. It took stock of the research and suggested new avenues. As I had continued the research and evolved on my own, this book was very misunderstood. This is the reason why I have subsequently always sought to simplify the techniques without falling into reductionism.

The current technique is developed in my book Auriculomedecine Renovated and Simplified and on the website www.auriculo.fr

When did you start teaching Auriculo Therapy ?

I’m more of a researcher than a teacher, and I’ve never conducted any real classes. Nor did I want to disseminate research too soon, before it was sufficiently tested, because, in fact, every time I have done so, I have been misunderstood and highly criticised. Research must always be questioned. So I waited until the research was sufficiently complete to disseminate it. That’s what I can do now that I’m retired, because what would be the point of research that’s not shared ?

Have you encountered Posturology ? Where ? How ? From whom ? Have you taught Posturology ?

Posturology was only a small part of my practice. Indeed, when we make a global regulation, many problems resolve themselves, including those of the postural balance, without the need for specific points. Posturology exams can verify this.

Do you think this tool (Auriculo) should be used by all doctors and therapists ? And if so, why ?

Auriculotherapy can be used by many practitioners but requires extensive studies to be truly effective. It is too often overused and used by untrained people.
Auriculomedicine with VAS requires a real specialisation. I would remind you that the term auriculomedicine includes auriculotherapy and auriculodiagnosis. This term is criticized by some but used worldwide and therefore will not disappear despite those who oppose its use. The Larousse dictionary defines medicine as a body of scientific knowledge and methods of all kinds implemented for the prevention, healing or relief of diseases, injuries or infirmities. So auriculo is just one tool among many.

This word is often used to refer to the method that uses the VAS associated with ear mappings. In fact, VAS is now used in many areas that do not use ear somatotopia. That is why we can use the term VAS Methods.

Was there a turning point, when Auriculo Therapy had a big or specific impact on your life ?

The turning point for me was the discovery of the possibility of directing the diagnosis and the search for homeopathic medicine by using the VAS. Finding, with Simone Fayeton, that homeopathy was able to modify the transfer of information and therefore that homeopathic medicine sent information to the body was a major observation, even if there are still questions about the nature of how this information is carried.

Do you have a message for upcoming therapists that you would like to express ?

In medicine, therapy is quite codified when you have the right diagnosis. It is the diagnosis that is most important and Paul Nogier has always insisted on the importance of asking questions to find the origin of pathologies. Auriculomedicine is an important aid to finding some of these origins or to guiding examinations. However, the diagnostic aspect remains very limited and a great deal of research remains to be done in order to exploit the full potential of the method.

Is there anything that I have not asked you that is important, essential or that you feel is missing, for this interview to give a complete picture of Auriculo Therapy ?

Oscillations, that is to say the inconsistent responses of the VAS to the same stimulation, are the main obstacles to our measurements and treatments. It is essential to control this phenomenon to obtain regular results in both auriculotherapy and auriculomedicine. In my opinion, this is the main cause of the failures of manual pulse measurements but also probably of attempts at instrumental measurements.

All this is not sufficiently taken into account and in particular it is also a major obstacle to learning how to take the VAS and consequently discourages many students.

The regulation of white light transfers and electromagnetic vectors makes it possible to eliminate a large number of oscillations in order to allow simpler measurements of primary points.

I fully understand the reluctance of teachers to take into account new research, given the many abuses and because all this is difficult to verify. There are too few of us who practise advanced techniques, and especially too few who devote time to research. Such new techniques should not be used without participating in research.

However, I do know a number of practitioners who devote their time to it and appreciate the importance of this research. All this is time consuming and requires dedication but we will always need inexpensive methods around the world to treat our patients and this is where auriculomedicine will find its place for a number of medical approaches. It is up to us to make it more accessible, more reliable and more acceptable.

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